Curse

Wertic · Feb 09, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

No offence to ArenaNet, who are great in making guildwars better, but there is some things they have missed...

They have promised a big amount of changes to the game lately, but none of them have been placed into the game. Instead of that, ANet gives us the Canthan New Year and some new "Hard Mode" in missions in elona.

Im not saying its good to expand the game with these things, but they've missed a whole lot of stuff that were promised, and which would need higher priority. Here's two examples of what they have promised but not done yet:

* The Skill Hunter Title Changes to a Skill Hunter title/campaign would come in the late January, and I havent seen it yet...

* I think I speak for all of us when I say we want a way to make the highest Sunspear title...

Ive probably missed alot of things, but I wonder what you guys think:

Is'nt it time that ANet make the changes they promised?

Tide to Go · Feb 09, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

soon Wrectic soon......ya how do i set it on hard mode?????

and the lip sync update...thats a big change......when they say big change u think of a huge update with thousands of skills new places and proffessions, weapons......its not like that

sasukeUchiha · Feb 10, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

they will make changes...just wait.

Clawdius_Talonious · Feb 10, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

Yeah, because you pay them so much every month to update the game right?

No, these are free changes Anet makes because they're good people; with a good product. The poll with the titles was just to get a feel for what the response would be

They got a few thousand responses, there are millions of GW accounts.

Don't think for a moment that Anet isn't going to do what they said they would - and several wonderful things you never expected.

Mistress Mindbender · Feb 10, 2007, 06:42 AM // 06:42

No PvE changes, until the crying about 6 vs 6 vs 8 vs 8 is over, which it probably never will be so..... dont count on it.

The Ernada · Feb 10, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Wow. Made a thread to complain about having to wait for changes to some titles? Well at least it wasnt another complaint about nerfs...

twicky_kid · Feb 10, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Why make changes to the game when they can put it in chapter 4 and give you a reason to buy it?

Everything Anet does will be packed into the next chapter to give you a reason to buy it.

Makkert · Feb 10, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

As a rule of thumb, simply don't expect changes to come at the time ANet first indicates. Especially the more important updates seem to have an habit of being a bit later, be that a day (start events), two days, week (skillbalances) or months (i.e. auction house).
Keep your expectance level low, it helps against dissappointments.

Jongo River · Feb 10, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

I could stand to see all titles removed.

TheLordOfBlah · Feb 10, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Why make changes to the game when they can put it in chapter 4 and give you a reason to buy it?

Everything Anet does will be packed into the next chapter to give you a reason to buy it.

Changing a title which can be aquired in all campaigns only in chapter four would be retarded.

If you paid attention at all, the storage upgrades were changed to be available to characters of all campaigns.

Amity and Truth · Feb 10, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious

Yeah, because you pay them so much every month to update the game right?

No, these are free changes Anet

One campaign every 6 months:
Not knowing prices in the USA or otherwhere but I payed 45€ for it. So if you're keeping up with the updates you're paying 7.5€ a month, only basically "pre charged". What about that is free? Please. Tell me. I'm intrigued to know what you exactly consider free here.
I must admit, the campaign model surely pays off for A-Net. Everytime someone asks about what happened to xyz some random person immediately jumps the thread lecturing him that A-Net is a beneficial company that provides everything for free. Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release).

The Ernada · Feb 10, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

One campaign every 6 months:
Not knowing prices in the USA or otherwhere but I payed 45€ for it. So if you're keeping up with the updates you're paying 7.5€ a month, only basically "pre charged". What about that is free? Please. Tell me. I'm intrigued to know what you exactly consider free here.
I must admit, the campaign model surely pays off for A-Net. Everytime someone asks about what happened to xyz some random person immediately jumps the thread lecturing him that A-Net is a beneficial company that provides everything for free. Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release).

You are NOT paying a monthly fee. Your argument is only valid if other MMO's that have monthly fee did not also charge for the game itself. GW is less than half the price of WoW when you include all the costs of the games themselves, monthly fee and expansions.

So yes, GW is not free but it's equally wrong to say that we're paying a monthly fee unless you think it's paying a monthly fee if I buy Half Life 1 and then Half Life 2.

Amity and Truth · Feb 10, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

And my argument is still valid.
The "free" argument is completely wrong and utter moronic trollish nonsense. So why bombard every single suggestion, every single question with it?

Avarre · Feb 10, 2007, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release).

You don't have to pay to keep playing - only to receive access to the new work they've done. So long as playing the game in any way and not paying are not mutually exclusive, the game does not have a playing fee.

Plus, by your (flawed) logic, it wouldn't be a monthly fee. It would be biannual.

Now stop bickering over that irrelevancy or I'll purge the thread (probably should anyway).

Bankai · Feb 10, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

From what I've noticed, ANet is probably going to fullfil the wishes. Those who have been paying attention should have noticed chap 4 is coming out in the second half of this year. They're taking more time. Now, look at all the testing in HA that's happening. They'll probably do all the stuff now.

Meat Axe · Feb 10, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

One campaign every 6 months:
Not knowing prices in the USA or otherwhere but I payed 45€ for it. So if you're keeping up with the updates you're paying 7.5€ a month, only basically "pre charged". What about that is free? Please. Tell me. I'm intrigued to know what you exactly consider free here.
I must admit, the campaign model surely pays off for A-Net. Everytime someone asks about what happened to xyz some random person immediately jumps the thread lecturing him that A-Net is a beneficial company that provides everything for free. Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release).

Actually, that cost of purchasing the game is pretty much what most games charge. You pay for the content already in the game, not for any future updates or patches that there may be. A company doesn't have to spend their time fixing up a game that they've already released. Now, Guild Wars is a very big game when you buy it. Prophecies has 5 large sections, hundreds of minor quests, 25 storyline missions, along with 6 professions so that you can try the game out with different skills and builds to see what you prefer. This is a lot more than you get with most games, and this is what you pay for up front. Get a grip on reality, you pay for the initial game, every update added to an old campaign after that Anet is giving you for free. It's a lot better than a lot of other online games, where you pay the same price, and maybe get 2 free weeks in game and then have to start paying subscription fees.

I see exactly how you worked out your "monthly fee" for GW, but that reasoning is flawed. The game doesn't just disappear after 6 months. You can still play as much as you like, so by your reasoning, the monthly fee for Prophecies is down to a measly 1.96€ (23 months since release in April 2005, April of 2005 being counted). Of course, this "fee" goes up if you buy more than one campaign, but the brilliant thing about GW is you don't have to buy any more.

Alright, that's my piece for today. I'm tired from correcting posts about how Anet sucks and people are naive when saying there's no monthly fee. If you want a truly free game, go play Runescape, and see how much you enjoy that.

EDIT: Bankai, you are probably right. They are probably taking time out of producing new games to add some of the suggestions that have been made.

Amity and Truth · Feb 10, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

You don't have to pay to keep playing - only to receive access to the new work they've done. So long as playing the game in any way and not paying are not mutually exclusive, the game does not have a playing fee.

Plus, by your (flawed) logic, it wouldn't be a monthly fee. It would be biannual.

Now stop bickering over that irrelevancy or I'll purge the thread (probably should anyway).

You are seriously getting on my nerves Avarre. You might not agree with my opinion, which is one thing. Threatening to delete it if i were to dare to try to explain my opinion is... without comment. I won't go down to insulting here.

Well then, now here is your reason to delete it and me from Guru:
Yes you don't have to pay to keep playing as you actually prepayed the fee. GuildWars has also one major difference from the other "monthly fee" games which balances it out in the end. They're using an instanced Server Model which is quite easy on the bandwith, unlike the streaming model of those P2P Games. Plus they are using a shop system which most of the P2P Games don't do.
And yes, due to less bandwith usage and other incomes, it actually levels itself out. Otherwise the whole company would have been allready shut down due to massive debts, don't you think?
And then coming here and proclaiming updates were actually free, just a sign of good will is the truely flawed logic. For one: A-Net must take great interest in fixing bugs and keeping the game in a healthy state. They want to sell the next expansion, don't they? Two: No one works for nothing. They are not doing these things just because they're bored. They do it because they are payed for by our money. Three: The "free" pseudo wannabe argument is overused. It's used to explain the medicore selection of maps for PVP. It's used to explain the missing endgame content. It's used to bombard every suggestion and every thread. It's used to conceal utterly obvious flaws. It's used to make up for repetitive gameplay. It's used to... you name it.

And my point simply is and remains (even if you just delete it because it differs from yours): A-Net is NOT beneficial. They do NOT provide content for free.

The Ernada · Feb 10, 2007, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Dude, Amity and Truth.... You can never admit that you're wrong and you're always imagining about how someone has wronged you. Just let it go. You were wrong on saying that there's a monthly fee. And no one has posted since then saying that it was free either. Just let the irrevelancy die please.

Estic · Feb 10, 2007, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Amity, do you know the meaning of the world troll?

jrk247 · Feb 10, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12

First of all, Anet is going to fix bugs and other important things in the game before they go out and fix useless titles.

And even though we don't have a pay to play fee for GW, we ARE paying for the game and I know we pay for the game and what content the game came with but when the campaigns first come out they have tons of bugs and aren't the greatest due to Anet not having much time to work on the games. So we are basically paying for a game that is about 3/4 the way finished, and that is why they have tons of updates after a campaign is released. So we are PAYING for the game and the updates. We don't pay to play but if you buy extra stuff from the online store and buy every campaign when released we are paying a little less than you would be for some other pay to play MMO's. And not to mention that Anet doesn't have the greatest servers. So we do pay for a game and yes we pay for the updates also, BTW anyone that had Factions when it first came out would know this because the Alliance battles were down and not working properly when it first came out, even though on the Factions box it said new alliance battles. So that is a perfect example of us paying for an incomplete game and the updates. So don't go saying stuff like we don't pay for the updates and Anet doesn't have to give us updates, because they do. If they advertise something and it's not in the game they can get in some lawsuits.